Somebody can explain me please what is the difference betwen a falsetto
voice and a conter-tenor voice?
Thank you.
Marie-Claire
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>Date: 24 Aug 2000 10:19:01 -0000
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>There are 11 messages in this issue.
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>Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Girls who sing like guys
> From: "Tako Oda" <toda@m...>
> 2. favorite (most successful) choices for young voices
> From: "David Grogan" <dgrogan@e...>
> 3. Re: favorite (most successful) choices for young voices
> From: Mezzoid@a...
> 4. Re: favorite (most successful) choices for young voices
> From: Mezzoid@a...
> 5. Re: Perceptions of the mezzo-soprano sound (was: Re: Girls who
>sing like guys)
> From: Karen Mercedes <dalila@R...>
> 6. Re: Perceptions of the mezzo-soprano sound
> From: "Kittisak Chooklin" <hm381119@w...>
> 7. "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
> From: Oberon603@a...
> 8. Re: Perceptions of the mezzo-soprano sound
> From: LYNDA313@a...
> 9. RE: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
> From: Richard Barrett <richardtenor@e...>
> 10. Re: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
> From: "DIANE M. CLARK (MUSIC DEPARTMENT)" <DCLARK@r...>
> 11. Re: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
> From: velluti@c...
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>Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:37:26 -0000
> From: "Tako Oda" <toda@m...>
>Subject: Re: Girls who sing like guys
>
> > Tracey Jones wondered what we thought of women who sing tenor in a
> > choral setting, and mentioned some of the negative comments she has
> > received. For me this is an interesting topic - I sang in the tenor
> > section of a vocal jazz ensemble with a lovely and talented young
> > woman "tenor" named Kristin and remember her also getting some funny
> > comments. We tenors were delighted to have Kristin helping us...
>
>When I was in college, I was in a chamber choir where the director
>added a few tenor/countertenors to the alto section and some chesty
>mezzos to the tenor section to sing some Bach. He wanted seemless
>registration between sections from top to bottom. I really liked it.
>IMO, choral range has little to do with your "real" range. It's about
>group cohesion, not individuality and personal comfort.
>
> > Without having heard you it is hard to say, but I doubt that you
> > sound "like a tenor." In some group settings, that is fine, but not
> > in others. For the vocal jazz group I was in, having a female tenor
> > worked perfectly.
>
>You're right about mezzo, but I've heard a few true contraltos who
>really sound like tenors (even baritones) when they're in open chest.
>My grandma talks on a baritone low A, and it can modulate easily to a
>bass F !!! I actually think my (singing) chest voice sounds somewhat
>womanly (anyone who heard my "arpeggio" clip last month can probably
>attest to that). Even if a woman doesn't sound like a man, it is
>sometimes nice to have an androgynous tone to a section due to the
>mixed colors. Otherwise, there's usually too big a timbral jump from
>tenor to alto...
>
>-Tako
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>Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:47:16 -0500
> From: "David Grogan" <dgrogan@e...>
>Subject: favorite (most successful) choices for young voices
>
>Good Morning,
>
>I was hoping that some of you more experienced voice teachers might share
>some wisdom with this relatively inexperienced teacher. Could you share
>with me some of the most successful pieces of literature you have found
>works well with younger voices (freshman-sophomores in college.), and
>perhaps some pieces that look good, but don't translate well to students in
>your experience? I would appreciate any advice at all. I am sorting
>through all my music and deciding that I don't know all that much this art
>form.
>I have long believed in learning from other's success and failures. Please
>share yours. Thanks in advance!!
>
>
>David Grogan
>ETBU Music
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:48:53 EDT
> From: Mezzoid@a...
>Subject: Re: favorite (most successful) choices for young voices
>
>In a message dated 08/23/2000 11:44:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
>dgrogan@e... writes:
>
><< Could you share with me some of the most successful pieces of literature
>you have found works well with younger voices (freshman-sophomores in
>college.), and perhaps some pieces that look good, but don't translate well
>to students in your experience? >>
>
>My students are mainly high school juniors and seniors, but they're pretty
>smart so maybe these would apply:
>
>THINGS THEY LIKE:
>Hundley, "Come ready and see me," available in both high and low keys (but
>I
>only have the high key right now)
>
>
>Christine Thomas, Mezzo Soprano
>Wauwatosa, WI
>
>"Humility is the acceptance of the possibility that someone else can teach
>you something else you do not know already, especially about yourself.
>Conversely, pride and arrogance close the door of the mind."
>-- Arthur Deikman, The Observing Self
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>Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:57:40 EDT
> From: Mezzoid@a...
>Subject: Re: favorite (most successful) choices for young voices
>
>In a message dated 08/23/2000 11:44:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
>dgrogan@e... writes:
>
><< Could you share with me some of the most successful pieces of literature
>you have found works well with younger voices (freshman-sophomores in
>college.), and perhaps some pieces that look good, but don't translate well
>to students in your experience? >>
>
>Sorry, I hit Ctrl-Enter instead of Enter and wound up sending that too
>soon:
>
>STUFF THAT WORKS (continued):
>Songs from the books Folk Songs for Solo Singers (particularly Vol. 2);
>published by Alfred
>First Book series published by Hal Leonard, although I'm not that thrilled
>with the baritone volume.
>
>STUFF THAT DOESN'T ....
>Let me think about that awhile...
>
>
>Christine Thomas, Mezzo Soprano
>Wauwatosa, WI
>
>"Humility is the acceptance of the possibility that someone else can teach
>you something else you do not know already, especially about yourself.
>Conversely, pride and arrogance close the door of the mind."
>-- Arthur Deikman, The Observing Self
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:11:44 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Karen Mercedes <dalila@R...>
>Subject: Re: Perceptions of the mezzo-soprano sound (was: Re: Girls who
>sing like guys)
>
>The origin of the term "mezzo-soprano" was once explained to me as
>applying not to the sound of the singer's voice, but to the fact that the
>"mezzo-soprano" was the soprano-in-training (vs. the prima donna). And
>thus, not quite a "full" soprano.
>
>I thought this explanation sounded goofy. Has anyone else heard it?
>
>KM
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>um einen tanzenden Stern gebaeren zu koennen.
>- Friedrich Nietzsche, ALSO SPRACH ZARATHUSTRA
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>Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:50:09 -0500
> From: "Kittisak Chooklin" <hm381119@w...>
>Subject: Re: Perceptions of the mezzo-soprano sound
>
>That sounds very interesting to me, and I would like to know more about
>this perception, including other voices too. Actually, I never heard thing
>like this about mezzo-soprano at all. Honestly, it's probably because I
>focus on my voice type, which is tenor (hopefully).
>
>By the way, talking about "tenor", I also have a question for the list and
>really expect anyone here could help me. About 9 years ago, I first joined
>a choir back in Bangkok. That time my voice was not fully developed; so
>when I went to test, the conductor then found it's kinda difficult to say
>which voice part I was in. He asked me to vocalise and sing along with the
>other tenor singers. Then, probably to help him classify my voice, he
>touched my jaw to see my structure (wording?) and said I was tenor.
>
>After that, years after years, whenever it comes to vocal-training, I would
>focus on my voice and tenor qualify, which never satisfies me at all. I
>found out I couldn't sing head-voice, or maybe I don't know what it is
>like. However, I consider myself still a tenor whose voice hasn't fully
>developed yet and always look for every useful stuff to help me reach that
>stage. Until last few weeks ago, I went to a bookshop here in Houston and
>found out a vocal training book (I forgot what it's called), and it's very
>interesting yet makes me doubt in myself and voice. The book says 'we
>shouldn't point out what type of voices we are unless we find someone who
>can do that. Some people spend years developing their voices which are not
>theirs.' So, after I read that paragraph and went to another section about
>voice range, I found out that my voice range fell into "baritone" category.
> Now, I doubt and need some helps -- at least someone who knows a very
>good teacher/trainer that could tell me which voice I have. It might not
>sound important to you, but for me it helps a lot. At least, I know my
>goal and I want to be a singer or at least to sing on a stage. It's my
>dream and I want to build my way up there. I know I don't sound so good,
>but I still have rights to dream and make it true one day. This is the
>very first stage for me: once I know my voice type, I'll develop it to meet
>all qualities and then I'll go out to fulfil my dream.
>
>Thank you for your help in advance.
>
>Kittisak Chooklin (Oak)
>
>--- Original Message ---
>
>The origin of the term "mezzo-soprano" was once explained to me as applying
>not to the sound of the singer's voice, but to the fact that the
>"mezzo-soprano" was the soprano-in-training (vs. the prima donna). And
>thus, not quite a "full" soprano.
>
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>Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:54:06 EDT
> From: Oberon603@a...
>Subject: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
>
> Last night I was watching "The Real World" episode where the cast gets
>invited to Anne Rice's house for dinner. Upon hearing the authors name, my
>thoughts turned to her novel "Cry to Heaven", and how much I enjoyed
>reading
>it. It then occurred to me what a great story this would be for an opera.
>Think, it's got sex, love, lust, betrayal, & revenge. More importantly,
>it's
>about a strange, but also extremely interesting era.
>
> In order to really do Rice's story justice, Opera companies would have
>to
>spend a lot of money on set's and costumes. Rice used so much delineation
>in
>her story, that one felt like they were whisked back to the Baroque era; a
>time when castrati ruled the operatic stage. You could almost smell the
>waters of the canals, & hear the gondoliers singing as they sailed them.
>So
>you see, this production would have to be a lavish one in order to take you
>there the way Rice did. Heck, I would attend such a production for the
>sets
>& costumes alone. Well, that's if they could come close to Rice's
>depiction.
>
> I think that the hardest part would be the casting. Not for the male
>(fully developed) & female parts, but for the castrati. Because of my
>voice
>type, my first inclination was lots and lots of countertenors. However
>when
>I thought about it, I remembered that the castrati had androgynous
>appearances. Well, at least in the face they did because of the lack of
>facial hair. Not only that, but many of them were sopranos (as is Tonio
>the
>main character, & several others). Perhaps women would be the best choice
>to
>convey that androgynous appearance. Then again, a clean shaven CT can look
>boyish. IM sure Asawa could pull off a boyish look. But then again, there
>is the soprano singing thing. The best CT's out now sing in the Alto/Mezzo
>range. The few male sopranos I have heard are not very good (except for
>maybe Randall Wong, and the guys at La Gran Scena). Perhaps a mix would be
>best like they do in baroque operas performed today. A few CT's, a few
>sopranos (definitely for Tonio, unless there is a fierce Male soprano that
>I
>don't know about), and a few Mezzo's. Maybe even a boy soprano to play
>Tonio
>as a young boy. What do you think guys? Wouldn't this be an interesting
>story line for an opera? We have a book about castrati & a movie! Why not
>an opera? Maybe some composer with a Baroque feel will read this, get out
>the blank staff paper & make it happen. Don't mind me folks, it's just my
>operatic imagination doing overtime. Anyone enjoy this book as much as I
>did?
>
>Best Wishes,
>Kenneth Ealy
>
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:49:11 EDT
> From: LYNDA313@a...
>Subject: Re: Perceptions of the mezzo-soprano sound
>
>Oak, please call Dr. Lynn Lamkin at Lee College in Baytown. She will be
>happy to recommend some teachers in the Houston area. Good luck to you!
>
>Sincerely,
>Lynda Lacy
>
>Lynda Lacy, Director of Choral Activities
>Jackson Preparatory School
>Jackson, Mississippi
>"Allow your voice to serve the music, not the other way around." - B. R.
>Henson
>
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>and
>the Fine Arts</A>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:53:28 -0700
> From: Richard Barrett <richardtenor@e...>
>Subject: RE: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
>
>At one point a stage musical of Cry To Heaven was planned. Don't know what
>ever became of it, does anybody else?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Oberon603@a... [mailto:]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:54 PM
> > To: vocalist-temporary@egroups.com;
> > Subject: [vocalist-temporary] "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
> >
> >
> > Last night I was watching "The Real World" episode where
> > the cast gets
> > invited to Anne Rice's house for dinner. Upon hearing the
> > authors name, my
> > thoughts turned to her novel "Cry to Heaven", and how much I
> > enjoyed reading
> > it. It then occurred to me what a great story this would be
> > for an opera.
> > Think, it's got sex, love, lust, betrayal, & revenge. More
> > importantly, it's
> > about a strange, but also extremely interesting era.
> >
> > In order to really do Rice's story justice, Opera
> > companies would have to
> > spend a lot of money on set's and costumes. Rice used so
> > much delineation in
> > her story, that one felt like they were whisked back to the
> > Baroque era; a
> > time when castrati ruled the operatic stage. You could
> > almost smell the
> > waters of the canals, & hear the gondoliers singing as they
> > sailed them. So
> > you see, this production would have to be a lavish one in
> > order to take you
> > there the way Rice did. Heck, I would attend such a
> > production for the sets
> > & costumes alone. Well, that's if they could come close to
> > Rice's depiction.
> >
> > I think that the hardest part would be the casting. Not
> > for the male
> > (fully developed) & female parts, but for the castrati.
> > Because of my voice
> > type, my first inclination was lots and lots of
> > countertenors. However when
> > I thought about it, I remembered that the castrati had androgynous
> > appearances. Well, at least in the face they did because of
> > the lack of
> > facial hair. Not only that, but many of them were sopranos
> > (as is Tonio the
> > main character, & several others). Perhaps women would be
> > the best choice to
> > convey that androgynous appearance. Then again, a clean
> > shaven CT can look
> > boyish. IM sure Asawa could pull off a boyish look. But
> > then again, there
> > is the soprano singing thing. The best CT's out now sing in
> > the Alto/Mezzo
> > range. The few male sopranos I have heard are not very good
> > (except for
> > maybe Randall Wong, and the guys at La Gran Scena). Perhaps
> > a mix would be
> > best like they do in baroque operas performed today. A few
> > CT's, a few
> > sopranos (definitely for Tonio, unless there is a fierce Male
> > soprano that I
> > don't know about), and a few Mezzo's. Maybe even a boy
> > soprano to play Tonio
> > as a young boy. What do you think guys? Wouldn't this be an
> > interesting
> > story line for an opera? We have a book about castrati & a
> > movie! Why not
> > an opera? Maybe some composer with a Baroque feel will read
> > this, get out
> > the blank staff paper & make it happen. Don't mind me folks,
> > it's just my
> > operatic imagination doing overtime. Anyone enjoy this book
> > as much as I did?
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> > Kenneth Ealy
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>Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:07:53 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "DIANE M. CLARK (MUSIC DEPARTMENT)" <DCLARK@r...>
>Subject: Re: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
>
>KE wrote:
>
> >Anyone enjoy this book as much as I did?
>
>Yes, I liked it very much. I found it quite educational, and a very
>poignant
>story.
>
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>Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:39 +0100 (BST)
> From: velluti@c...
>Subject: Re: "Cry to Heaven" as an opera?
>
>May I comment here ? I think this is a very good idea;the libretto is
>almost ready-made and
>there would be no difficulty in choosing the music !!
>I don't know whether you have heard Angelo Manzotti's CD "Arie di
>Farinelli" ? his voice is
>exceptional in range , colour and control, for the emerging male soprano,
>to realise the part of
>Tonio. Otherwise, David Daniels has a special quality which emerges on the
>stage.
>"Morphing" might be an answer; techniques of melding must surely be better
>now since the
>"Farinelli" film.
>A point of interest; around 1980 + , a pastiche was performed, based on the
>novel "Porporino",
>by Dominique Fernandez, winner of the Prix Medicis. This novel was
>available in French and
>Italian only, as far as I know; its subtitle was " P...ou les mysteres de
>Naples."
>This is a little different, in that it celebrated a special kind of
>friendship, "everyone" was in it,
>and the ending was even more "Gothic" than "Cry to Heaven".
>This pastiche was performed at Aix; the soprano part was taken by the high
>tenor, Bruce
>Brewer, and the alto (Porporino) of the title, was sung by James Bowman.
>Did any one on the List see it ? I have never been able to trace a video or
>a tape of this
>performance, and I don't think it has been "done" since, unless anyone
>knows otherwise ?
>Fernandez, by the way, is the mentor of Patrick Barbier, who has written
>several books about
>the castrati.
>Elsa
>http://www.cix.co.uk/~velluti
>July 2000
>
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