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From:  "Colin Reed" <colin-reed@l...>
Date:  Wed Feb 26, 2003  11:16 pm
Subject:  Re: [vocalist] Support and Lowered Larynx

The diaphragm is not truly an involuntary muscle, not in the same way that,
say, the heart is. The problem with the diaphragm is a lack of sensory
nerves, and the lack of knowledge of what it feels like. If you breath in,
and hold your breath without closing your throat (epiglottis - but please
someone correct me if I'm wrong), then you will start to feel the
antagonistic relationship as your diaphragm controls the outflow of breath.
I feel this as a buoyant "floating" feeling in my abdomen. Obviously if the
diaphragm were a truly involuntary muscle, then you wouldn't be able to hold
your breath in this manner.

Colin Reed, tenor
Newark, UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Spencer" <singsoprano2003@y...>
To: <vocalist-temporary@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 26 February 2003 20:49
Subject: Re: [vocalist] Support and Lowered Larynx


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> Thankyou so much for replying to my question. I agree with you but to be
certain I understand what you mean, can you describe to me how this balance
is achieved. Eg what you actually do? Also have you heard the difference in
the two approaches and what is your opinion of the sound?
> Further I understood that the diaphram is an involuntary muscel and could
not necessariarily be controlled in isolation?
> Earl Presley <egpburk@s...> wrote:
> Support is derived from the isometric tension between the descended
diaphragm and exhalation for phonation. Go back to your Vennard "Mechanism
of Singing". I know you have one.
> Earl Presley
> David Grogan <dgrogan@e...> wrote:Hi, Deborah (and others)
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> Deborah wrote:
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> I am curious about any comments people may have about the concept of
> "Support" in singing.
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> There seems to be two schools of thought here, one being that support
> includes a full lung of air supposed downward pressure and expansion of
the
> lungs. The other is a full lung of air and expansion of lungs with a
> contraction of muscels in the region of lower abs. I think they are called
> transverse obliques and one other group of muscles that I just forget the
> name of at present.
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> David here:
> Support doesn't mean much if the vocal folds do not resist the air flow.
> There is antagonism between the exhalation muscles (abdominals, internal
> intercostals) and the closing of the glottis. Getting the right balance
and
> timing of these muscles is the goal of the onset exercises we just talked
> about on this list.
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> Deborah again:
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> We also have a sudden rush of teachers here back into descending larynx.
And
> very dropped jaws any opinions on these things anybody?
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> David here:
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> I don't feel comfortable about "very" dropped jaws, but I do believe in a
> slightly lowered larynx. I think it is important to note to the students
> that this must be a _relaxed_ feeling, and not a _forced_ one. By
relaxing
> the muscles above the hyoid bone (essentially the tongue, jaw and neck),
the
> larynx is allowed to achieve a position that is better for phonation. Of
> course, any good thing can be overdone, and moderation is important.
>
> My 2 cents,
> David Grogan
> Longview, Texas
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