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From:  "Caio Rossi" <caioross@z...>
"Caio Rossi" <caioross@z...>
Date:  Sun Nov 19, 2000  3:49 am
Subject:  Re: [vocalist-temporary] Teaching rolled Rs


Sheila wrote:

> When you talk about the 'English aspirated H... like in Loch Ness', you
> really mean the SCOTTISH 'aspirated H'.

I wrote: "( similar to the English aspirated H, but with the back of the
tongue pressing back, I guess like in LoCH Ness )"

The aspirated H, as in Hotel, is not Scottish. My 'English' referred to the
English language, not the nationality.


> I do realise that this is difficult for foreigners to understand, but
> England and Scotland are separate countries.

No, not really!

> England, Scotland, Wales
> and Northern Ireland together make up the political entity known as the
> United Kingdom, or UK for short. Frequently, the terms Britain, or Great
> Britain (not because it was great, but

Mmmm... I think it's because it was great!!!

> Having said all that, I basically agree with you about thinking that
> there are 3 'R' sounds: I would call the French 'R' the uvular 'R'
> bwcause it is made at the back of the mouth (and incidentally sounds
> quite different to me from the 'CH' sound in loch),

For me too. I hear, in fact, 3 variations of that uvular R, although all of
them must have the same point of articulation ( that's why I put them all in
the same basket ): the aspirated H, as in Hotel; the French R; and that
Scottish CH, as in loCH, varying from least to most constricted. But I'm
actually not sure that makes any sense.

Best regards,

Caio Rossi



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