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From:  Dre de Man <dredeman@y...>
Dre de Man <dredeman@y...>
Date:  Wed Oct 18, 2000  9:09 am
Subject:  Re: [vocalist-temporary] Re: Technology (freq. graphs; long and boring)


--- saint james <stjames@l...> wrote:
--- saint james <stjames@l...> wrote:
> Intrusting. Nice sound equipment, I am envious.
> Could you clarify.... I am
> assuming this is amplitude vs frequency and the 2
> plots are L(eft) and
> R(ight) ? Could you explain "Cursor: 13350 Hz" and
> "Frequancy: L=472.03 Hz
> (A#4+21), R=795.99 Hz ? If this is boring please
> bore me some more !

Dear James and co vocalisters,

for some of us this might not be boring, but I just
wanted to warn the others.

Yes, the plots are left and right and the y axis is dB
(lines are 10 dB), the x-axis is Hz (lines are 2,000
Hz). The cursor position is just a dB/hz reading of
the point where the cursor was positioned, so does not
have a meaning here. The frequencies (both for
Blochwitz and me) have been calculated by CoolEdit,
but are obviously wrong.

In my experience, as soon as you add accompaniment,
the frequency calculation is not reliable anymore. In
light registered tones, it can also generate a reading
that is double as high as the frequency you hear. When
I record my voice without accompaniment, it is mostly
accurate.
I use CoolEdit to edit wave files, so I have been
using the frequency analysis from time to time in the
past. My Cd toaster program (WinonCd) also has a
frequency analysis plug in, which is even nicer (I
think they bought it from Steinberg/Cubase), but if
you change the graphs to black and white (as I had to
do to make the attachments small) they look muddy.

I once used it to graph high notes of a soprano that
had a huge, but for higher notes very grindy sound (it
sounded very distorted; like a bad stereo set playing
much too loud). The graphs did not show a nice
spectrum of harmonics, that slowly falls off, like in
the case of Blochwitz and me, but a graph that was
crowded with lots of noise above 4 kHz.

Some microphones (large condensor microphonse)are
designed to record such a voice with less of that
grinding sound. If you listen closely the Jessye
Norman's 'Vier letzte Lieder' recording (at least to
the Eastern German one I have) you can hear they have
just filtered out that sound at some high notes, by
using a different channel mix, all of a sudden.

Recently I compared a large condensor microphone with
the microphones I now have, using my own voice. I
decided to buy the ones I now have: they record my
voice clearer, brighter and more detailed, while the
voice still sounds warm; in general, well produced
tones sounded better. (And I want to hear the ugly
tones as ugly as they are!) But the differences were
not that big, in my case.

Best greetings,

Dre

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